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  • C&D Lightning Lap 2019 - VIR roadcourse comparison between BMW F87 M2, Supra, Giulia Quadrifoglio, Urus, F90 M5, 991.2 Carrera T, W205 C63 AMG, Senna, etc.

      • C&D Lightning Lap 2019 - VIR roadcourse comparison between BMW F87 M2, Supra, Giulia Quadrifoglio, Urus, F90 M5, 991.2 Carrera T, W205 C63 AMG, Senna, etc.

        Published on 10-11-2019 08:02 PM
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        One of the (few) good things Car and Driver does these days is the Lightning Lap which is possible thanks to their resources. This year has a good field but it is missing a few notables namely the C8 Corvette, Mustang GT500, and Ferrari 488 Pista.


        Unfortunate but here is what we do get in order of laptime from slowest to fastest:

        2019 Toyota Camry XSE: Lap Time: 3:25.3
        2019 Mazda MX-5 RF Club: Lap Time: 3:17.2
        2019 Volkswagen Jetta GLI 35th Anniversary Edition: Lap Time: 3:12.2
        2019 Hyundai Veloster N Performance Package: Lap Time: 3:07.7
        2019 Genesis G70 3.3T Dynamic: Lap Time: 3:07.3
        1999 Acura NSX Zanardi: Lap Time: 3:07.1
        2019 Alfa Romeo Stelvio Quadrifoglio Q4: Lap Time: 3:04.8
        2020 Lexus RC F Track Edition: Lap Time: 3:02.6
        2020 Toyota Supra 3.0 Premium: Lap Time: 3:01.4
        2019 BMW M2 Competition: Lap Time: 2:59.7
        2019 Porsche Cayenne Turbo: Lap Time: 2:59.2
        2018 Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio: Lap Time: 2:57.2
        2019 Mercedes-AMG C63 S Coupe: Lap Time: 2:57.1
        2019 Lamborghini Urus: Lap Time: 2:55.8
        2019 BMW M5 Competition: Lap Time: 2:54.0
        2018 Porsche 911 Carrera T: Lap Time: 2:53.4
        2019 Mercedes-AMG GT63 S 4Matic: Lap Time: 2:49.3
        2019 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 1LE: Lap Time: 2:45.0
        2020 McLaren 600LT Spider: Lap Time: 2:42.6
        2019 Porsche 911 GT3 RS: Lap Time: 2:41.6
        2019 McLaren Senna: Lap Time: 2:34.9


        A few things to note. The new Cayenne Turbo tops the Toyota Supra and the M2 Competition. The Mercedes-AMG GT63 S 4Matic is the fifth quickest overall which is mind bending.

        The cars that punch above their weight are the Camaro ZL1 and Porsche Carrera T. The Carrera T in particular considering its factory horsepower.

        The Senna is king but the GT3 RS doing what it does without turbos is spectacular.


        The all time list is below for data junkies:


        This article was originally published in forum thread: C&D Lightning Lap 2019 - VIR roadcourse comparison between BMW F87 M2, Supra, Giulia Quadrifoglio, Urus, F90 M5, 991.2 Carrera T, W205 C63 AMG, Senna, etc. started by Sticky View original post
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        1. Payam@BMS's Avatar
          Payam@BMS - 10-11-2019, 11:33 PM
          Wow on the M5 Comp! Faster than the M2 by a lot actually. I'm pretty surprised.
        1. Sticky's Avatar
          Sticky - 10-11-2019, 11:50 PM
          Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Payam@BMS Click here to enlarge
          Wow on the M5 Comp! Faster than the M2 by a lot actually. I'm pretty surprised.
          Power track.
        1. Payam@BMS's Avatar
          Payam@BMS - 10-12-2019, 12:50 AM
          Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
          Power track.
          Hmm, yea I guess that's true for VIR.
        1. richpike's Avatar
          richpike - 10-12-2019, 10:20 AM
          I’m impressed by that Veloster N. Only 275HP. 3:07.7. Like C&D says, can’t wait to see their next N model. Hyundai and Kia are making serious waves. Their next generation cars aren’t going to need the “for the money” disclaimer.

          -Rich
        1. rileyg's Avatar
          rileyg - 10-12-2019, 12:45 PM
          Funny, the Camaro zl1 is faster than the 450k ford gt.
        1. richpike's Avatar
          richpike - 10-12-2019, 01:12 PM
          Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rileyg Click here to enlarge
          Funny, the Camaro zl1 is faster than the 450k ford gt.
          And I’d still take the GT in a heartbeat.

          Curious to see how the new GT500 does. With the right tires I wouldn’t be surprised to see a low 2:40.

          -Rich
        1. CobraMarty's Avatar
          CobraMarty - 10-12-2019, 03:37 PM
          KTM X-Bow is pretty amazing. Imagine with a turbo or SC.
        1. spool twice's Avatar
          spool twice - 10-13-2019, 06:57 PM
          might sound weird, but the Genesis G70's result is mind-blowing. It's near E9x M3 performance....
        1. nbrigdan's Avatar
          nbrigdan - 10-15-2019, 04:06 AM
          Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
          2019 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 1LE: Lap Time: 2:45.0
          The performance Chevy is getting out of the Alpha chassis is almost unfathomable at this point. It should go down as one of the best chassis of the last decade. The new sticky Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar 3R definitely make a difference too. Bolt ons + cooling mods + light wheels and it would probably be faster than the 600LT Spider for 1/4 the price. Really amazing.
        1. nbrigdan's Avatar
          nbrigdan - 10-15-2019, 04:08 AM
          Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by spool twice Click here to enlarge
          might sound weird, but the Genesis G70's result is mind-blowing. It's near E9x M3 performance....
          Faster than an Evora or C6 Z51 as well. It's mind blowing how far performance has come in the last few years. A family sedan from Korea is faster around a race track than two purpose built sports cars.
        1. Sticky's Avatar
          Sticky - 10-15-2019, 11:27 AM
          Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by CobraMarty Click here to enlarge
          KTM X-Bow is pretty amazing. Imagine with a turbo or SC.
          It is turbocharged. Uses Audi 2.0 and 2.5 motors.
        1. Sticky's Avatar
          Sticky - 10-15-2019, 11:28 AM
          Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rileyg Click here to enlarge
          Funny, the Camaro zl1 is faster than the 450k ford gt.
          It's just raw power. The GT's aerodynamics, weight, and suspension are superior designs which it why it crushed at Le Mans in real racing the Camaro does not participate in.
        1. onurleft's Avatar
          onurleft - 10-16-2019, 09:07 AM
          More important to note

          They DO NOT use pro drivers. They use guys like me, who don't race on sims everyday, who don't race with a team, who have competed and won here and there but have done nothing significant

          Pro drivers compete on a schedule, win on the regular, practice everyday and get paid. There drivers do not do any of this. One of there guys - I won't name names actually did pretty poorly in a high level miata cup series
        1. Sticky's Avatar
          Sticky - 10-16-2019, 09:10 AM
          Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by onurleft Click here to enlarge
          One of there guys - I won't name names actually did pretty poorly in a high level miata cup series
          Name him!